W6, #5: WISDOM OF CROWDS

Set-Up: Ever get that feeling that no matter how closely you read/highlight a book the first time around, there are still dozens upon dozens of things ‘under the surface’ that you can’t quite put your finger on? Well, if you do, you’re a healthy human being.  At the same time, all of us are working very hard to grasp the deeper mysteries found on the island right now…even if we only have a few chapters, a couple of class discussions, and our gut instincts to guide us at this point.

Clearly there is something to be said for employing the ‘wisdom of crowds’ when where trying to figure out the hidden ideas that a novelist weaves into his/her story that go far, far beyond plot/action.  In fact, there even is an amazing book by that title if you’re curious how groups (even anonymous groups of average people) are ‘smarter’ than individuals (even experts).

With that said, let’s help each other out with a series of questions that one of your classmates asked me recently.  Something tells me that a few others might find these really intriguing/helpful.

Challenge: Pick one of the following Ch 3 & 4 questions (or more, if you’d like) that were sent to me by a fellow student. Offer a solution/idea.

Here are the questions:

  • On pg 62, there is this random part about Roger throwing rocks at Henry. I think that I must have seriously blacked out when I was reading because it has no relevance to the story!! Arg. Is it showing how childish they are or foreshadowing or something because that would make a lot more sense than Golding randomly putting in a kid throwing rocks. Is there a relevance to the fact that he missed? Golding says, “perhaps six yards in diameter, into which he dare not throw”.  Does that mean he’s missing on purpose?
  • Jack is obviously more savage now. He’s constantly talking about hunting and and how “we” need meat when it’s actually just him. If he has an entire army of choir members, then why is he wasting time trying to explain his military tactics on page 63 to the youngest boys on the island? At first I thought that jack was going to be some sort of evil dictator, but now he’s confusing me with his strange kindness.
  • What is Simon doing on page 57? All that I see is that he sits down in the grass as the sun is going down and he gets up. I noticed that as Simon gets up, the same “candle buds” he mentions to Jack on pg 30 open up. What does that mean?
  • On page 56, Golding compares Simon to Jack two times saying, “his feet were bare like Jack’s” and “he looked over his shoulder as jack had”. Why? Why does Jack force Simon to eat the meat on pg 74?  Well, he told everyone to eat it, but he tells Simon directly.
  • What does Simon mean by “it wasn’t a good island” on page 52? Why are the boys so surprised to hear him speak? They did invite him into their ‘group’ on the first day. I still don’t get why they did that by the way. Simon isn’t exactly special. All that he did was faint, so why is he included?

Length: 7+ sentences

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21 responses to “W6, #5: WISDOM OF CROWDS

  1. 1. I was a bit confused by that part, too — it seemed like the narrator was definately setting something up there. Then someone who’s already read the book told me what it foreshadows, which I find very aggrevating. And yes, he is missing on purpose. All his life he’s been taught, “Don’t hurt other kids, don’t hurt other kids, don’t hurt other kids…” It’s so ground into his mind that it’s a habit, like guilt, even though there aren’t any grown-ups on the island.

    3. I think there is something going on here with Simon. He’s special, and he might have a more important role later. When he’s sitting alone in that brush, it’s like he has his own secret little place. Those candle buds are also something special and secret to Simon. The other boys just saw that they couldn’t be lit and that they couldn’t be eaten. Only Simon knows that they open up as gorgeous white flowers and give off a great scent.

  2. Question #1

    There are a few sentences that pretty much explains why that part was put into the story for me-

    “Here, invisible yet strong, was the taboo of the old life. Round the squatting child was the protection of parents and school, and policemen and the law. Roger’s conditioned by a civilization that knew nothing of him and was in ruins.” (p. 62)

    I interpret this to mean that civilization teaches them to avoid the bloodlust, the violence, and the danger, and somewhere in their mind, the boys are holding on to that civilization. The savagery has not been fully embraced. Everything that they knew has told the boys to not be violent, malicious, or unlawful. They have been taught to not hurt one another and to be polite, but as the savageness creeps into their lives, what they know will be forgotten, just like the civilization in the last sentence of the above quote.

    Question 2

    Is Jack really addressing the ‘littluns’ on page 63? I thought he was talking to Roger, Sam, and Eric, who aren’t the youngest of the boys. Anyway, I think that Jack has pretty much gone isane in his desire to kill something. The meat is the excuse he has to spend all day hunting instead of being productive, but I think Jack has some innate tendency toward violence, subconscioulsly, that MUST be satiated. Civilization never really had complete control over Jack. Civilization set up the barriers, but as soon as the barriers dropped and lost power, Jack was immediately embracing savagery. I believe that he explains his reasoning in order to convince his concious mind that what he is doing is perfectly normal. On pg 52, “Jack had to think for a moment before he could remember what rescue was”. Jack is perfectly happy with the savagery of the island, because somewhere in his mind, he has always been a savage, and now, the restrains of society are gone.

    Question 3

    Simon is the observer. He rarely speaks, but when he does, it seems to have an impact on everybody else. Simon sees the good in everything. When the ‘candle buds’ were first noticed, by Simon, Jack contemptuosly ignores them and Ralph disregards them to be of no importance. Simon noticed what the others did not, he saw the beauty in them. He found a place where everything is peaceful and he can escape the reality of the island and see the beauty that surrounds him. No one else really appreciates the life around them, no one ‘stops to smell the roses’, except for Simon. I think that in the future, his observations will be important and could influence other people’s opinions, but for now, I think that these passages are just showing what kind of person Simon really is to set him up to do something influenial and explain his reaons for doing it.

  3. Question one (pg 62):

    I think Roger is missing on purpose. I think the main reason he is missing Henry on purpose, because Roger’s conscious won’t let him hit Henry. Ralph still has a little of the good left from civilization left inside of him, and is afraid to go against that. Ralph also may think that when they get rescued (since they are convinced that they will be rescued) that he would get in trouble with adults if Henry told on him. It also is a sort of foreshadowing because another character has a death related to rocks, and this is a less severe form. The difference between the two shows how the group of boys have turned on their values and civilized manner in such a short time. This event combined with the death later in the novel demonstrates the boys going from a childish, playful manner to a violent group of savages. So I would say this is not something to black out, but to pay some attention to.

  4. I’m responding to the following:

    On page 56, Golding compares Simon to Jack two times saying, “his feet were bare like Jack’s” and “he looked over his shoulder as jack had”. Why? Why does Jack force Simon to eat the meat on pg 74? Well, he told everyone to eat it, but he tells Simon directly.

    I definitely don’t have a solution, but this is one that got my brain working a bit. It seems to me that Jack and Simon are the most similar to each other. Both have unique traits: Jack is savage, obsessed with hunting, and extremely insecure. Simon is quiet and obedient, traits that aren’t particularly outstanding, but he is frequently brought up in the book so these traits stand out more than in the other boys. These characteristics aren’t different enough from Jack’s to cause conflict and not similar enough to be exactly like Jack. They are just unique enough to complement Jack, suggesting they could work together. The similar trait these two have is their willingness to isolate themselves. Both of then venture into the woods by themselves, (even at night) something all of the other boys are too afraid to do. They are similar because they are both a little odd and brave. I think that Golding made them so similar on purpose. Maybe they’ll join forces at some point in the book? Maybe if Jack turns against Ralph Simon will join him? I’m not sure and I know that this wasn’t much help but it was my thought process, maybe it’ll help someone else come up with something better.

  5. Question 1:
    This part of the story shows how the old world still influences the new world, or the boys’ lives on the island. While the boys are beginning to return to their animalistic and primal instincts by hunting and making shelters, the world of order and structure still is present throughout their days. Roger was going to be a typical boy by throwing stones at Henry, yet, could not actually hit him because he had been brought up otherwise. Roger originally meant to hit Henry, but his conscience would not let him, or else it would have been rude and cowardly. I thought this quote was really interesting that it was the unknowing Henry who has the shield of protection around him, instead of it being the attacking Roger making the conscious decision not to throw the stones. Throughout this part of the story, Golding has various symbols that reflect the fact that order and logic is still present on the island. I think that Piggy’s glasses also might be a symbol of this order, and once they are broken by Jack later in the chapter, the reader sees the beginning of the end of order and even hope.

  6. These are such great questions and I answered the last one but I answered the last part first!

    Simon was invited into the “group” in the first place because every group of leaders needs that weak man or that one individual whom they feel completely superior to, due to their own insecurities. This individual could not have been Piggy because Piggy is much more intelligent then both Jack and Ralph and so they knew that he would not simply follow them. Also Piggy does not look ‘cool’ in that he has already established himself as an outcast in the mindset of these eight year olds due to his glasses and his physique. Simon is a follower and Jack knew this from the beginning when Simon fainted because he was so obedient that he would not remove his robe. Ralph came to this realization as well, as Simon helps him with the huts and really obeys these two leaders. However as Simon remains on the island longer he becomes more bold and confident. The shock of boys to hear Simon interrupt Jack is due to the fact that he has interrupted someone who from the beginning has been viewed as superior to Simon. Also Simon is not a loud or garrulous individual and so this comment displays his new found boldness. This new assertive nature is also displayed in previous lines as he reminds Ralph that he is the chief and so he should control the situation. This change in Simon shows how location can truly affect the mannerisms and the actions of an individual and this is seen with Jack and Simon as well as multiple characters. This primitive setting has forced the boys to adjust their mind sets and truly go into survival mode and that’s what appears to be happening with Simon. He is an observant boy and he realizes something is not right and feels compelled to say so. It could also be argued that Simon recognized the evil present on the island from their arrival and perhaps that’s why he fainted. If Simon was overwhelmed by the island from the beginning then it would appear that the nightmares of the little boys just cemented his already present concerns and that is why he spoke up. Also Simon probably felt, not comfortable with, but capable of interrupting Jack because as the story progresses he is witnessing how Jack has flaws in his hunting obsession as does Ralph in his lack of control over the boys when the conch is not involved. Simon has probably now realized that he is just as good as these two boys and all he needs to focus on is getting off of this island. But this scene does allow the changes in not only Simon but other boys to be viewed resulting in the conclusion that the island has turned these boys into opposite forms of their former selves.

  7. On pg 62, there is this random part about Roger throwing rocks at Henry. I think that I must have seriously blacked out when I was reading because it has no relevance to the story!! Arg. Is it showing how childish they are or foreshadowing or something because that would make a lot more sense than Golding randomly putting in a kid throwing rocks. Is there a relevance to the fact that he missed? Golding says, “perhaps six yards in diameter, into which he dare not throw”. Does that mean he’s missing on purpose?

    I think that this is just an insight to Roger’s character, or perhaps could be considered a foreshadowing of how Roger’s personality will be later in the story. I mean the fact that Roger believes it is ‘fun’ to try to hurt Henry shows to me at least that he will most likely be a malicious character later on. When Jack called him over it said “When Roger opened his eyes and saw him, A DARKER shadow crept beneath the swarthiness of his skin; but Jack noticed nothing.” I think Jack will secrtly and maybe unknowingly make Roger progressively MORE evil throughout the story.

    Regarding to if he is missing on purpose and the “dare not throw” line, I don’t honestly think he is missing on purpose. I think the “dare not throw” line is reffering more to Henry being protected by the invisible ‘law’ that still inhabits them. “Roger’s arm was conditioned by a civilization that knew nothing of him and was in ruins” shows that unknowingly society/the forces of nature(?) are not letting Roger harm a living thing ‘yet’. I don’t know if that helps but I ‘took a stab at it’.

    What does Simon mean by “it wasn’t a good island” on page 52? Why are the boys so surprised to hear him speak? They did invite him into their ‘group’ on the first day. I still don’t get why they did that by the way. Simon isn’t exactly special. All that he did was faint, so why is he included?

    Simon saying this is foreshadowing that (as Ralph notices) “[things] are not always as they appear.” At first the boys are happy and excited to be on this island which was like a fantasy, though quickly learning otherwise. “Not a good island” if you think about it is pretty self explanatory that the island will be the setting for horrible and unexpected events to occur. It might even be the reason those things occured. The boys were not surprised that Simon actuall said something, they were surprised at what he said. The other boys are hesitant in accepting this and do not want to be confronted with this issue again, especially after the first littlun died. Inviting Simon randomly, I think, was just Golding slowly introducing Simon as a character that will play a much larger role later on. Trust me, eventually Simon plays a much greater role and you will soon understand why he was chosen and why he is so important.

  8. First question: To take a few words from our teacher, sometimes the boys are saying something, Golding is ALWAYS saying something. This section to me shows that the boys are still tied to society. In the part where Henry “dare not throw” near the small boy, it says that his arm “trained by society”. This means that even though the boys are on this island, no adult leadership, slowly becoming more and more crude in how they live, they still have ties to the real world. They are english as well, which to me is a big deal because that is the stereotypical high class culture, and so it will be a bigger deal when eventually these boys fall into the inevitable savagery to which they are already succumbing to.

    Question 2: Jack’s strange kindness and seeming group mentality is a hoax. He is obviously a leader, he just didn’t get voted chief, so he layed low for awhile, and then slowly, dissension hits. He is taking the younger boys under his wing, mentoring in a way, converting them to liking him. The way he says “we need meat” instead of just him to me says that he is trying to play the good guy. He wants them to see him as a giver, a provider. If he gets the young ones to like him, his power grows because he already has the choir’s support and young minds are easier to manipulate. His kindness can be reasoned by the phrase, “you catch more flies with sugar”(not a quote)

    Question 3: It’s not the boys including Simon, not really, it’s Golding more than anyone, if that makes sense. The three most important characters are Ralph, jack, and Simon. Ralph and Jack are at opposite ends of the spectrum in how they act, but Simon is on a whole different level. You notice all the boys seem to have rules programmed into them by civilization, they are pulling away from it, but they are still held back. Jack couldn’t originally cut the pigs throat, Henry won’t hit the small boy with the rocks, they are not innately good, it is not really them. They are good because of how they were raised, it is not the real them. Simon is the only one who is innately good, naturally moral. This is why Jack and the rest start to see him as an outsider, he is different, he doesn’t take part in the hunting and he isn’t embracing their new life. Simon is the character who changes the least, the quote “Simon’s hair was the only one’s that never seemed to grow any longer” shows this in a big way. He is the way he is naturally, born nice, born with morals, he is different from the others, so they outcast him. It’s like he plays the “control” like in a science experiment, throughout the book. He is a big deal cahracter in my eyes, i’m somehow drawn to him, keep an eye on Simon.

  9. Question 1

    To me, it seems as though Roger is missing Henry on purpose. When Golding states on pg 62 “ Roger stooped, picked up a stone, aimed, and threw it at Henry—threw it to miss,” he is trying to tell the reader that even though Roger is throwing rocks at a small child, he still has a conscience. Roger knows that in the normal society back home, he would be punished for such doings. He also knows that it would be morally wrong for him to hit Henry, due to the fact he is a small, innocent child. I think this scene is very interesting because Roger is acting like he would get in trouble for doing this, but he knows there are no parents or adults on the island to scold him. I think that maybe Roger still wishes there was a certain authority present, so he would be able to distinguish what was right and wrong. He already knows that throwing rocks isn’t just, but he yearns for someone wiser or older to set him on the right path. This whole scene symbolizes how the boys still have an ‘invisible’ connection to society and rules. Golding may also be using this scene to foreshadow a loss of humanity within the boys later on in the book. So to answer your first question, yes this has a great deal of relevance to the story. What seems to be Roger just throwing rocks at a random kid is actually one of the key elements in understanding the whole book.

  10. 1. First, this part of the story is relevant. This shows how Roger is unable to hurt the ‘littleuns’, how he is still connected with the society that had forbidden him to do this. The author includes this scene because it is very important that the reader know that the boys, as of now are toying with violence and chaos but have not completely severed their ties with their past civilization. Yes Rodger is missing on purpose but what is scary is that he still has this innate tendency for violence. For he is still throwing rocks just not hitting the child yet…  (creepy grin)
    2. Yes, Jack is definitely becoming much more savage as the story progresses. He, however, is not trying to explain his military tactics to the younger children. He is giving a reason ‘for the good of the group’ to do what is pleasurable to him. The question is why does Jack feel the need to justify his actions if he is truly savage? This is because again, towards the beginning of the book, the boys still do have a conscience and feel a sense of law and order. Jack still truly feels that actions for the good of the group are considered right and he tries to integrate his carnage within these guidelines. We will see that the longer the boys are away from their past world they will lose their connection and they will no longer need justification for the chaos and violence they commit.
    3. Simon is in his ‘glade’ in this part of the story. All we can figure from this scene as of now is that Simon is very peaceful and loves/respects the power and beauty of nature. Also directly before this, Simon’s kindness is illustrated as he hands fruit to the young ones that can’t reach it. The candle buds are simply a repetition of imagery used to give a sense to the reader that they have been (characters) in the same position/action before. Candle buds are used again to show how Simon is able to notice things the others cannot. Simon is a character foil for Ralph and Jack. While both Jack and Ralph have an underlying savageness, Simon is truly kind and good at heart. I believe this kindness that Simon possesses will impede chaos from settling in him when all of the other boys have been infected.

  11. 1. I think that its really just showing how all the kids still have a tie to civilization for now, but I think that as the novel progresses the tie will get weaker and weaker until the boys become total savages. That scene will probably make a lot more sense as the story goes on along with…

    3. Simon’s little retreat. The candle buds are definitely hinting at something, and the fact that the secret place belongs to Simon, the seemingly weakest of all the boys, is probably some genius tie that Golding has created that I haven’t figured out yet. But like I said earlier, it’ll make sense in the end, we just have to keep an eye out for it.

  12. 1. The throwing of rocks does have some importance. As a boy, Roger has a tendency to throw things. However when he is throwing the rocks at Henry, he doesn’t hit him. Their are still ties to society. He doesn’t have the courage to hit Henry because he doesn’t want to be in trouble. He still fears elders from home. This is kind of like Jack’s phrase, of being hunted when you don’t know it. Henry doesn’t know who is trying to hit him, but he knows someone is in the the forest hunting him when he heard the rocks land in the water.

  13. Question three:
    The candle-buds opening as Simon gets up symbolizes Simon’s natural affinity to nature. Simon is more comfortable with the milieu of the island. Since Simon can relate more to the environment of the island, he will be especially capable of helping his fellow captives. For example, he helps the littluns reach a high branch of fruit. This not only shows his familiarity with the island but also his propensity for kindness which seems to go hand in hand with his appreciation of his surroundings. The ability to survive in the island environment is keenly essential in this novel. Simon is the most perceptive of all the boys as they strive to manage their environment in order to survive and thrive on the island.

  14. Question One:

    The scene where Roger is throwing rocks at Henry is not random at all, he is missing on purpose. The space where “he dare not throw”(62) says that Roger is missing on purpose and the “protection of parents and school and policemen and the law”(62) is the reason Roger does this. He realizes that he is now in a place where he is not protected by those protectors. Roger, like the other children, is adapting to the island and embracing his animal like instincts as they become more violent and compete for power. Roger may be small but he understands what is happening and seems to enjoy the freedom he has while still longing for this power. He is throwing the rocks because he wants to hit Henry but he know that if he does he will not be protected and he is content with just the thought of having the ability to do it. I definitely see something big happening with Roger in the future when he has the power to do something similar to this and get away with it safely.

  15. Question 2:

    While Jack may be more savage he still is smart. Actually he is more smarter than I thought. He and Ralph have a power struggle. Jack of course wants to win this tug of war. In this situation power is defined mainly by the number of followers the two contestants have. Jack has realized that being nice will slowly win people over to his ‘army’. Hopefully for Jack this will shift all of the power from Ralph to him. Jack is still evil, and is acting like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is like the Devil trying tempt the rest of the boys to his side, hoping that they will realize that it’s a mistake only when it’s too late.

    Question 4:

    It seems that Simon could be another potential leader and contestant in the power struggle. The cmparisions to Jack were a hint to this. This was also hinted at the very beginning when Ralph and Jack took Simon along in their exploration.
    The boys don’t really need hunters and Jack knows that. He needs to assert his importantance. He wants to get the boys dependent on his meat kind of like how a cigarrette company will put nicotine in their product only to get them addicted and dependent on it. This will give him power. On page 73 towards the bottom of the page it says that Ralph “meant to refuse meat” when his diet was mainly nuts and fruits and the occasional fish or crab. Why would Ralph hesitate to eat meat when he had a such a simple diet? I think he knows just as well a Jack that this is some ploy to acquire power. Simon also knows this but, unlike the other boys he refuses and this enrages Jack. Simon seems to have a potential to be a leader and this is threatening Jack.

  16. Question 1

    I think it absolutely has relevance to the story. Even though throwing rocks is a childish act, when it is directed at someone it is always dangerous and never innocent. Roger’s throwing rocks at Henry symbolizes the deterioration of the hold that their past life-lessons have on them. Still, the “six yards in diameter” is a sign that he has a little of civilization left in him. I think he is missing on purpose, but not by much. Also, the fact that Roger originally was this very secluded and innocent guy shows a radical shift in behavior.

    Question 2

    I don’t think Page 63 showed much kindness or explanation to the little ones. It was Jack just turning into a more violent, warlike person, talking mostly to himself. The little ones were told to shut up and ignored. Jack felt that Ralph, Simon, or Piggy would not give him positive audience to his trying different war paints, so he picked some little followers who would not object openly to his new ‘mask.’

    Question 3

    Simon is the only boy out of the ‘choirboys,’ who shows the good, angelic side of a choirboy. When we say that someone is a ‘choirboy,’ we usually mean he is a good-natured person. Ironically, Jack, while being the leader of these ‘choirboys,’ is evil. On the other hand, Simon represents the good side of humanity. Candles are used in many religious places, such as in most Christian Churches. So, the “candle bud” flower opens up when Simon gets up. Simon does good things and helps anyone he can, unlike Jack. I think Golding shows the good-versus-evil side of humanity by presenting Simon and Jack in this manner even more than the obvious Ralph-Jack conflict.

    Question 4.

    I think Golding compares Simon and Jack here as he contrasted them on Question 3. He may be saying that good and evil are opposites, but also deceivingly similar in some aspects. On the outward appearance (barefoot or how a person looks over his shoulder) and where they were from (choirboys) the boys are similar. But those are trivial qualities, if one thinks about it. On the more important things, such as good or evil, peace or violence, the boys are very different.

    Why does Jack tell Simon to eat the meat? He is angry that Simon defied his “assertion of power,” as excluding Piggy is an overt act of showing his power. So he shouts a direct order to Simon to eat the piece thrown at his feet. This passage again shows how cruel and power-grubbing Jack is.

    Question 5

    What Simon means by “as if it wasn’t a good island,” is that the boys felt a place with no adults may not be a good idea after all. Ralph did feel excited and free at first. However, now with the little ones and all the responsibilities, he may not feel so free. Since Ralph feels this sense of imperfect paradise, he repeats Simon’s statement, “as if it wasn’t a good island.” The boys may have been surprised to hear him speak because Simon generally does not speak out, much less interrupt a conversation between others. On the first day, Jack apparently ordered the choirboys to march and stand in the hot sun. (pg 20) Some began to protest faintly, and begged Jack to allow them to sit. Jack apparently refused. Then, Simon fainted, at which time, Jack let them sit. I feel Simon had been somehow helping the little ones before. This may have been foreshadowing Simon’s role. Why did he get chosen to be in the ‘group?’ Ralph apparently liked Simon, who sat up after he fainted and smiled pallidly at Ralph. (pg 22). Ralph, who became a leader by then, either simply took a liking to Simon’s quiet smile, or wanted a weak person to follow him.

  17. Question 1:
    I think this is a very important scene in the story. I believe it explains Roger and the other boys’ goodness and also foreshadows some disastrous events. Roger had already trampled Henry and company’s castle, and now he is throwing rocks at the boy. The fact that Roger enjoys tormenting the littleuns allows you to see that he is slightly sadistic by nature. Roger misses on purpose because “there was a space round Henry, perhaps six yards in diameter, into which he dare not throw. Here, invisible yet strong, was the taboo of the old life. Round the squatting child [Henry] was the protection of parents and school and policemen and the law. Roger’s arm was conditioned by civilization…” The only self-reservation and goodness Roger has is taught to him by the adults of his “old life.” At this point, Roger still has a small tie to civilization and its teachings because he is still aware of the “invisible circle” that protects Henry. However, this foreshadows that the longer he stays away from society, the more his sense of civilization and goodness erode away. You can already see this process happening within Jack; therefore it can be concluded that most of the boys do not possess the goodness naturally.

    Question 3:
    “All I see is that he sits down in the grass as the sun is going down…”
    That is exactly what is going on in the scene and nothing more. Simon is exceptionally observant. He first mentions the candle buds to Ralph and Jack, yet they dismiss this observation as unimportant because the buds weren’t edible. Again, in this scene, Simon takes note of the beauty of the candle buds. To him, they do not have to be edible to be important. This symbolizes his ability to see things that others cannot. Jack and Ralph only saw that they were inedible, yet Simon saw underneath that and recognized the beauty of a simple bud. The fact that he just sits down in a peaceful place to watch nature unfold, rather than play and hunt like the other boys, represents his sense of awareness and his strong relationship with nature. In the previous chapters the readers did not know much about Simon or his character, yet here we see part of his personality. While Roger has been taught to be good and enjoys torturing the littleuns, Simon helps them by giving them fruit they cannot reach. Simon has an innate goodness that is not taught by society. The fact that he has a strong understanding of his surroundings and possesses a sharp perception foreshadows his ability to be able to see underneath the underneath and recognize something the other boys cannot.

  18. Question 2
    There’s no doubt that Jack is becoming more savage the longer he stays on the island. As for his strange kindness, I would have to say that Jack is trying to turn the little kids to his way of thinking. It’s the greatest triumph of all dictators; when they finally corrupt the minds of the youth. While the older ones have already chosen Ralph, Jack is turning the “littluns” to his way of thinking, to ensure future victory. By doing this, Jack is also planing for the longterm possibility that they will never be rescued. In the end, Jack is planing all of his moves to be one step ahead of Ralph.

  19. I’m going to answer the first question.

    When rogers throwing the rocks at henry he misses on purpose. Mr. Golding does this to show how tempered the boys are by society even after being on an island for so long. Their parents and teachers have been telling them not to through rocks for their entire life before coming to the island. It will take a tremendous force to change this mindset of following the rules.

  20. Question #5:

    I think Golding has Simon bring up the possibility of the island not being solely a utopia. In my opinion, the boys are not surprised by him talking, but by what he said. While many of the younger boys still see the island as a ‘playground,’ I believe many of the older boys are beginning to come around to the realization that the island is not perfect. In the back of their minds, they are not only thinking the island isn’t perfect but that it may be a very dark place.

    I think that Ralph and Jack picked Simon to be in their ‘group’ because both of them hold power over him in size. Simon is special. I believe Simon is one with the island. On page 57, the flower buds open up as Simon stands up. This shows how the island reacts to him and Simon may use this to his advantage later on.

  21. This’ll probably make me look like I’m really lazy but, I read the first question and, I think that I have a good solution for it.

    When the student said that the event taking place had irrelativeness to the story, well it has a great deal of relativity. When it’s talking about how roger had a 6 yards in diameter in which he wouldn’t throw, it was talking about how he didn’t want to hurt the “young-un”. He was throwing the rock, because he was a bully back at his school, and he didn’t want to lose his sense of a higher power to the young-un (if that even makes sense), or he just couldn’t brake the habit. Also when it talks about how there was a taboo of the old life, how there was the feeling of authority, parents, teachers, and the law around Henry (the young-un), it shows that Roger knows what could happen if he did hit Henry. There’s also a bit of foreshadowing in that, the passage might make you suspect that Roger is going to end up hurting Henry, or another person. It could also mean that Henry is going to get hurt by someone or something.

    Hope that this helps.

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